Speaker 13: [00:00:01] And we're going to call the meeting to order. We will start with correspondence, which is underwhelming. Speaker 7: We gotta thank you for renewing [00:00:16] our NFPA membership. Speaker 12: We got a notice Speaker 13: from. Vanguard about, it's a prospectus on a [00:00:31] Vanguard ftse emerging markets, fund that we must be invested in in the low sap. Bob, if you want that, I'll forward it to you. Speaker 3: Sure. Speaker 13: Additional. Speaker 1: Communication [00:00:46] from Speaker 8: Vanguard. Speaker 13: On the same font. Again Speaker 7: Bob I can forward that to Speaker 8: you Speaker 7: and we got a communication from Central Speaker 8: Hudson. Speaker 7: [00:01:05] With a picture of somebody from Croft Speaker 13: Corners to Jan Bonanza, fire chief, huh? He's Clinton Speaker 1: fire district wondering if we want a Speaker 13: free energy assessment. Anybody want to weigh in on Speaker 3: [00:01:20] that? It wouldn't hurt. If you wouldn't Speaker 5: hurt, Speaker 13: I will know that we got an energy assessment at work. It's an 85 thousand square foot facility [00:01:36] Central Hudson. Gifted us with brand new LED fixtures over the entire facility at no charge. So sometimes you can run into a real deal. Speaker 3: Don it s just interested in that. Speaker 13: Well I'll call and see what it involves. [00:01:51] How's Speaker 4: that? Okay Speaker 7: now we got a communication from Stanford Speaker 13: fire company. Wanting to know Speaker 7: if we want to play in their second annual golf tournament on Friday, July Speaker 4: 16th. Speaker 7: The entry fee is $125. A player [00:02:06] and hole sponsorships are $100. Speaker 13: Any interest in the company level there. Speaker 7: Donald or anybody else might be at the Speaker 1: firehouse. Well needed, Speaker 9: um you could bring it down, will Speaker 6: post [00:02:21] it Steven all right we'll do we'll do Speaker 13: all right, that's all I have for correspondence minutes. We have all had opportunity to Speaker 7: review the meeting minutes for the April [00:02:36] 14th meeting Speaker 1: and I request a motion Speaker 13: to approve the minutes. Speaker 3: I'll make a motion Speaker 1: Approve the minutes. I think Mike was sickening. Speaker 5: Well, I was [00:02:51] cycling. Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 13: Okay. Are there any additions? Corrections discussion? Corrections, or the Speaker 8: like, Speaker 7: [00:03:09] Okay, therefore Speaker 13: mr. Straczynski, what is your Speaker 6: pleasure? I Speaker 7: missed you fear. Oh, hi Speaker 13: mr. Speaker 5: Digiacomo, I Speaker 13: and I bought I as well motion carries Speaker 1: which war Speaker 13: [00:03:24] did nothing. Does anybody have any idea where Russell might be, or have a phone number for Russ? Speaker 3: I have done. Speaker 5: You want it? We want to call Russ. If somebody's got his number Speaker 3: have you got his number handy? Speaker 4: [00:03:40] I have this number on my phone, I can. Yeah okay Speaker 13: all right I want to keep going. If somebody wants to call financials, I covered a motion to pay the bills per the Speaker 8: abstract. Speaker 13: [00:03:59] Was that Michael, are you doing something there? That the motion? Speaker 5: Sorry Bob Speaker 4: this is coming in, he's coming in yeah Speaker 13: alright it's somebody make a motion to pay the bills for the abstract. Speaker 5: [00:04:14] I make the motion. Thank you, Speaker 13: second. I have a second Speaker 3: second. All right. Hey Speaker 5: discussion. Speaker 15: Bob, you want to discuss the annual Bill remember. Speaker 10: [00:04:39] Any discussion, Speaker 15: I think pops is in ski one of the, to mention something about the end. The annual dinner bill. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah the annual dinner Bill. Looks really good. [00:04:54] We budgeted 8000. And the company is only requesting less than 6. I think it's five thousand eight. That's pretty impressive. Compared to where we were close to 14,000 not. Not [00:05:09] the distant past, not this board, but that's impressive. Speaker 13: Yeah, I think it was a fine job on the Depart of the department any other discussion or Corrections or Speaker 15: additions. Steve. Speaker 11: [00:05:24] Yeah Speaker 15: I have a pending bill that's going to be coming in probably tomorrow or the next day. It's for working. It's the annual bill that we typically get Speaker 2: from home Speaker 15: or work in the pest control. Speaker 13: [00:05:39] Oh, it's an annual bill. Yeah. How much Speaker 15: I have no idea yet. Oh well Speaker 13: it's recurring. It's a recurring bill, right? Speaker 15: Yes. All Speaker 13: right, so we can deal with that under the Authority. You have to pay recurring [00:05:54] charges. Speaker 15: Correct. Eyes is next? Yes, I was just messing it. That it would be check. Number three to six eight Speaker 13: two six eight. All right, all right if there's no other discussion Russ what [00:06:09] you pleasure. Hi Mike. I Bob Kevin. Hi. I've what I as well. The motion carries I have had opportunity to Speaker 1: Review, the Speaker 13: [00:06:24] bank statements and I find that they are in agreement with the financial statements as published by mr. Paskoff, mr. Simon and I would move that we accept the financials covered a second. Speaker 5: Again, any discussion Speaker 7: [00:06:41] Okay Kevin. What's your Speaker 12: pleasure? Sorry. Speaker 6: Hi Mike. Speaker 7: I'm Bob all right, Speaker 13: I vote. Aye as well. That Speaker 7: motion carries Speaker 13: [00:06:56] mr. Pass a co-op. I thought I saw you coming in. Speaker 5: I'm here, Speaker 13: I don't see your smiling face. Speaker 6: I do. Speaker 3: Yeah he's not ours. And Speaker 5: maybe I got to rearrange my Speaker 13: Matrix here. That's okay. [00:07:12] Can you hear me? I can't hear you. That's the important part. There you are. So, the AUD, I just want to confirm has been filed, that was correct. Okay. And independent audit status. Where do we stand? And we are recommencing [00:07:27] with interactions Speaker 5: with the auto. I said I sent stuff to them and I haven't heard anything back. Speaker 3: All right. Should we follow through and see what they need Speaker 5: from us out? I'll check in a on Tuesday and see where they stand. Speaker 3: [00:07:43] Our thoughts on when that audit, most likely will be completed. Speaker 5: Well, we got our fingers and toes crossed that it's finished by June Speaker 6: 30th. Speaker 13: Yeah, but I'm not holding my breath. [00:07:58] Okay. All right. Now while we have Mr, pasok off the Surplus for the 2020. Fiscal year was [00:08:13] a hundred and eighty, some value have the exact Speaker 5: number. Yeah. Bear with me. Half a second. [00:08:39] I'm not good at flipping pages. Okay, well Speaker 12: you weren't good with numbers that was going to scare Speaker 13: me. Speaker 5: It's It's about a hundred and eighty six thousand. Yes, Speaker 1: [00:08:54] hundred eighty six Speaker 5: thousand. Okay. The combined with the 50 or so that was left over from the prior year, is 236 764 98. Speaker 13: Now, you are recommending, we maintain a balance of 75 to carry [00:09:09] forward. Speaker 5: I think so. Yeah. And I say, and that's really the expenses of the total expenses for the first two months of the year. Right. So, Speaker 12: that leaves that leaves us, [00:09:24] that Speaker 13: was 21,000, I think more than the 554 we carried over the year before. Hmm, does that sound right? So that would leave us about a hundred sixty-five Speaker 5: Surplus that we need to deal with, right? If you wanted to do a little bit more, you [00:09:39] could, if you wanted to move a little bit more, you could because I'm think I'm, you know, the there are some bills that we could probably hold off until the following, you know, until March when you Money from the town. [00:09:54] You cut, if you if you have it but I guess Speaker 12: I Speaker 5: was saying a hundred, maybe six, sixty thousand but it's 75. That's probably reasonably but it's his 75. Speaker 13: Anybody want to voice any Speaker 12: untoward? What we're trying to do [00:10:09] here we Speaker 13: got a surplus, we got some expenses coming up that we were going to take out of the Surplus and then we need to commit some of their balance of the Surplus to reserve funds by my math. If we maintain a [00:10:24] Valance to cover January and February. Of 2022 of 75,000 that leaves us a hundred and sixty-five to disperse. Speaker 12: We know, we've got 30 committed Speaker 13: to [00:10:40] share an ambulance. Probably plus another five for miscellaneous expenses, lettering, and so on. And we know we're going to be in for I would I would argue 10 for [00:10:56] the review of the facilities and getting start on the facility project. So that's for that leaves in my mind, a hundred and twenty to disperse Speaker 7: or a hundred twenty Speaker 13: to disperse to reserve funds. You with [00:11:11] my man so far gym or yeah. Speaker 8: um, Speaker 13: I guess I guess I guess we so the questions are is our people comfortable with carrying 75 forward. Now they comfortable [00:11:26] with the idea of holding 45 back to cover the Sharon ambulance, the the miscellaneous stuff that's going to come from the share an ambulance and $10,000 for the facility evaluation. So Kevin I need you to weigh in and any. Speaker 4: Well [00:11:41] is that going to be enough? Steve. Well what was it? Three Speaker 12: bids Speaker 4: 8500. Speaker 8: For McCormick. Speaker 4: [00:12:08] I mean, he's got a bunch of numbers going back and forth. And then h2m is 19:5. Speaker 7: Why do we want to start by deciding Speaker 1: [00:12:24] what firm we want to go Speaker 7: with for the facilities evaluation or because that's going to answer the question as to whether 10 is enough. Looking for some input or some direction from you, Speaker 4: boys. Well I mean we [00:12:39] could we could we could start off with that. My only thought was it would have been nice to have McCormick actually come down and talk to us like the other firms did and that didn't happen. [00:12:57] You know, we do have his, you know, his proposal which I guess. Covers most of Speaker 8: it. Speaker 3: Devon did did McCormick ever get out to Connecticut to take a look at that other facility? [00:13:12] I talked Speaker 4: about, don't think he did nothing came back to me that he did. Did you guys go out now? We were now. Now, we didn't. Speaker 3: Yeah, we might want to hold off until [00:13:27] the until that time Steve Are we committed? If we say we're going to can we hold back? 25,000 from any allocation [00:13:43] and just let it sit there for another month or so Speaker 7: I think we should. I mean I'm anxious to at least get some of this Speaker 4: committed. Sure. Right. We I agree with that too. We definitely have to move forward with this. Speaker 3: [00:13:58] So Steve everything but say 20,000 just hold is 20,000 in stasis and Speaker 7: so we study so that would leave us a hundred thousand to disperse to reserve Speaker 3: it for now and then we'll see what we have [00:14:14] in a month or two. Then we can revisit where we put it Speaker 7: now. Do you recall if we if we sell and we've had some interest, some interest, not a lot, some interest in the rehab vehicle if we sell that will have [00:14:29] those monies Speaker 3: available. Right. We're gonna have to figure out a home for that to Speaker 7: Bob any ideas on if you had a hundred to reserve, how you would want to distribute Speaker 8: it. Speaker 3: [00:14:45] You're asking me, I am, I thought I saw apparatus 60 and building allocation 55 and it was, it was circled in yellow on the the documents. So we [00:15:00] just take a ratio of that. Those numbers, Speaker 7: I was thinking heavier towards the Speaker 3: apparatus Speaker 7: and we had a hundred I was I was going to Speaker 3: go Speaker 7: 75/25 for argument's sake Speaker 3: that perhaps that's [00:15:15] fine, apparatus to Capital fund Speaker 5: and Speaker 7: that still leaves us additional Monies to ponder a nobody else want to weigh in Russ, or Kevin or Mike. Speaker 5: [00:15:31] Yeah, I think that'd be fine 7525. All right, it's that I Speaker 4: will move Speaker 13: that $100,000 of the 2020 Surplus. [00:15:46] Additional to be determined later be Speaker 7: allocated to reserve funds to the tune of 75 to the equipment purchase fund and 25 to the capital Speaker 3: Improvement fund and a Speaker 7: Covetous II Speaker 5: II. [00:16:02] Okay? Any discussion Speaker 3: That pretty much covers, it will look at what the numbers look like, and maybe two months. Ross, you ain't going nowhere. Speaker 6: Then the only question I got is maybe has a call for a [00:16:17] ride with Cloud. Would say, is there any time limit where we have to move these things are? Can we do what you're saying now? And then if we have later move more, is it does it has to be done within a certain Speaker 5: time frame? I think if this is [00:16:32] Jim pass, if I think, if you move the hundred now with a possible the possibility of moving more later. That's the that's okay. I don't think anybody will find fault with it, but the issue is that you do have a plan [00:16:48] of some sort for the money and you're working on that plan. And that's, that's the key Speaker 8: ingredient. Speaker 6: Okay, well I then I have no problem with suggested by Steve. Speaker 7: Any, [00:17:03] any issues with the plan router you would Speaker 1: agreement? Oh, I'm good. Speaker 7: Okay. All right anybody, anybody have any other Speaker 1: discussion or questions because we Speaker 7: want to make sure we're all good opportunity on this one. Speaker 8: And we go. Speaker 7: All right, that being said, [00:17:18] Russ, what's your Speaker 3: pleasure? Hi Mike. Speaker 5: I'm Speaker 3: Bob hi. Speaker 4: Kevin. I Speaker 7: know I bought I as well. So Bob you will distribute from the general fund, $75,000 [00:17:33] to the equipment, purchase fund and $25,000 to the capital Improvement fund. Is that your understanding? That is my understanding very good. Thank you and Speaker 13: There's more to follow Speaker 15: [00:17:49] if they understand that. Yeah. Okay. So down Speaker 8: Okay. Speaker 5: Steve, this is Jim. You said something about possible selling of the rehab [00:18:04] vehicle. Yeah, we did. Where was that purchased from? It was what funds Speaker 3: from it was Speaker 7: in 2013, which is before anybody that sits on the board, [00:18:19] Currently, Speaker 3: I think it Speaker 7: was from what fire department down in New Jersey. Where you're going with. Speaker 5: It was a purchase from the reserve from the apparatus Reserve equipment Reserve, or was it purchased from the general fund? Speaker 7: [00:18:34] Well, technically, we don't think we had an Speaker 5: equipment Reserve at that point in time so I don't know what that Speaker 3: means. We didn't have a facility or Reserve fund. Mary? Yeah, she's in the room should be able to answer that question. [00:18:50] It's Bob Simon is Marianne there? Speaker 15: Yes Bob Simon said yeah Mary Ann's here. Speaker 3: Question a question Speaker 15: which fun when they purchase the rehab vehicle which found that come out of Speaker 7: people. We bonded that didn't we marry Speaker 1: in Speaker 14: the vehicle? [00:19:05] The cathode equipment Speaker 15: equipment, Reserve fund, right? Proven reserves? Steve. Speaker 3: Okay, where are you going with that there? Yeah, Speaker 5: if it came from the equipment Reserve, then when you sell it, that money should go back into the equipment. Speaker 8: [00:19:21] Right? Speaker 7: I'm and that makes perfect sense to Speaker 8: me. Speaker 7: I don't think anybody would quibble with that. I thought Marianne that Speaker 12: we had at least two by on Speaker 2: that. [00:19:38] Purchase least Speaker 4: her. This is Speaker 15: about right. Yeah, they've shipped out right. Steven, there's no Speaker 7: leaks before Steve. Yep. So so Jim saying if [00:19:53] as we sell that we were We should put that money back into the into the equipment purchase fund. So while we have mr. Pathak off. Are there any other additional questions that we [00:20:08] need to bounce off him? Or can we let him Speaker 8: go? Speaker 13: Nobody has questions for Jim. Speaker 12: Well, Jim, as always, you free to hang around [00:20:23] but otherwise have a good Speaker 5: night, okay? It's more fun doing tax returns but you know how it is good night, thank you. Good night Jim Speaker 3: thank you. Speaker 7: All right. Speaker 4: [00:20:40] So Kevin, yes, sir. Speaker 7: What I kind of heard you say is you don't think we're ready to make a decision on. Speaker 4: Well, we can, I mean, you know, McCormick does have in [00:20:55] here that he's willing to, you know, work with the public and And, you know, represent us at that at that phase. So you know that's a very important aspect. Speaker 12: [00:21:13] so, if you had a recommendation or Elliott's honoree was Speaker 13: on Speaker 7: facilities committee, what would you Speaker 8: recommend Speaker 4: [00:21:29] Well, I would recommend I mean, you know, McCormick's already been there, he knows he knows the building, he knows the the facility. It seems [00:21:44] like he's willing to work with us, too. you know, McCormick LaBella put [00:22:00] It's tough to say but you know, I would give McCormick the shot once again. We don't we can start off with him and move on from there, Speaker 7: right? We're not committed. We're not committing anything beyond [00:22:15] the Speaker 4: evaluation, right? And like, you know, like I said, he's been there. He already did plans, he's been through the facility. He knows it. [00:22:30] so you know, for his 8500 compared to everybody else, you know, H2m wants almost 20,000. And LaBella Speaker 8: [00:22:46] from what I can see, Speaker 4: LaBelle is probably going to be 710, probably probably about 11 to 12 thousand. Which isn't terrible either. [00:23:02] Anybody else have any Speaker 6: thoughts? Yeah. I as we had a meeting not too long ago where we were discussing this at the firehouse and I I think that. [00:23:17] You know, unfortunately. But fortunately, I think McCormick is proposing a price US based upon the fact that his brother was achieved in his brothers deceased. In that terrible accident, [00:23:32] I think he's trying to do the best for us. And how can I say Be good to us because of the fact that his brother had an affinity with the fire department. So I think his hearts in the right place [00:23:47] and I think that's where that price comes in much lower than anybody else. And I did mention something to him at the dinner recently mentioning that some of the people in the fire department [00:24:02] had been to Falls Village and liked what they saw there. And I think I think if I remember right he was amiable to go over and look at that. So he get an idea or two. So I don't have a problem with [00:24:18] With going ahead and give it to to McCormick. I can understand Kevin's feeling that we did have in-person presentations from the other one, but I'm thinking that even though we haven't had an in-person visit for my karmic, [00:24:33] that it might be the way to go. All right, kind of hammered around here. A lot. Speaker 7: No. Speaker 8: Now, Speaker 7: I mean I think [00:24:48] that if we take this step and move forward I think in my opinion it would be imperative that the Speaker 12: full commission or board participate as opposed to just just the [00:25:03] facilities committee is there, is there any pushback on that? I mean, I think Speaker 4: No I Steve I totally agree with that. I think the more input you know you [00:25:18] there's there's a few people on the board that have including yourself that are active right now and have been active in the fire department what the input from you guys. That's very important. Speaker 6: [00:25:35] Right. I mean, the money's going to come from the district and I think all the Commissioners should be involved in decision making process here. Speaker 7: All right. I didn't, I want to say this gently as possible, without stepping on, everybody's anybody's toes. But, you know, on the same [00:25:50] on the same, man, I will warn you that, you know, I'm very determined to do this Speaker 4: with Speaker 7: as minimal attacks Speaker 12: increase as possible. If and if Speaker 7: we can keep it at knowing Kris, you know, all the better, right? And and I'm [00:26:05] going to be a bit of a pain in the neck on that, but, Speaker 3: but you can take my place. Speaker 12: You, you're paying is a little bit lower than paying you and Deuces lower Speaker 7: bum. Speaker 4: Steve just for what [00:26:20] it's worth. I think you need to have, you need a Speaker 15: connection of contact person because you can't have a McCormick talking to five or six different people. You have to finally information. I think to make it work. Have Kevin or whomever? [00:26:36] The sort of the point Speaker 4: person. Yeah yeah that would be fine too Ellie and Steve yeah that's fine because otherwise it gets too but confusing right it's about as long as everyone's got to say and you know thoughts in it. Speaker 8: Sure. Speaker 4: [00:26:52] All right here. Stan that to yeah. That's yeah. There's no sense in going through 568, people Speaker 7: know. So, so I think, I think Kevin, if you want it, you should [00:27:07] You should make a motion that we proceed with McCormick for the tune of whatever the price is going to get them be Speaker 12: and Speaker 7: I would include in that motion that you would be the point person and point of contact, Speaker 12: the liaison between McCormick and the board [00:27:22] and try to arrange an initial meeting that's up to you if you want to make that motion or no. Speaker 4: Well okay but before we do that so we would have a meeting with McCormick with what everybody present. [00:27:37] That's what I think. Yeah. I think that's a good idea. I don't have a problem with that. So at that point I'd like to make a motion that we move forward with McCormick at the [00:27:54] The price of $8,500 to start off with. Speaker 7: Okay. And yeah, I'll second it. Is there any further discussion? We had a little bit of discussion without emotion, but I want to make sure we Speaker 5: didn't, we want to include an emotion [00:28:09] that Kevin's going to be the point person and we should probably include what we're getting for the 8500. It's just an initial evaluation. Speaker 15: That's a good idea. Speaker 7: That's that's I'm agreeable to that. How about you? Speaker 4: Kevin. Absolutely. Speaker 12: [00:28:24] Okay. So you can amend the motion Speaker 10: accordingly, Karen Yes, just, what are you getting for the 8500, Speaker 5: right? It's just an initial evaluation Speaker 7: that's just an initial valuation of the current facility [00:28:41] and, and our and needs moving forward. Speaker 3: Also a cost structure option set. Speaker 8: Wow. Speaker 3: I'll explain to you later. Russ. Speaker 6: [00:28:57] Core structure option Speaker 4: set. Speaker 3: Modify the existing building. Bill to two buildings, build, one, new building. [00:29:12] That's what I said, Speaker 7: right? Speaker 12: So what do you what do you have for a motion currently caring? Speaker 10: Okay, so the motion hold on. [00:29:27] The motion by Kevin was to move forward with McCormick at a price of 85,000 to start off Speaker 4: with Speaker 3: 85,000. Speaker 8: [00:29:56] Instead. Speaker 7: Okay, that what you said? Kevin album, I'll second it. Speaker 4: That's yeah, that's fine. Okay, any other Speaker 7: discussion? [00:30:11] All right, Mike, what's your pleasure? All right, Bob. Hi, Speaker 6: Russ. I Speaker 8: who did I miss? Oh God, Kevin. Speaker 12: Kevin, I haven't gotten Kevin yet Kevin, [00:30:26] I Speaker 7: and I've authorized well that motion carries. So Kevin you'll be in contact with mr. Speaker 12: McCormick, I absolutely will Speaker 7: and we'll try to get a meeting arranged not on a softball night. Softball season is starting. So, I'll let you know what my Speaker 4: [00:30:41] Liz Golf and golf seven days a week. So we're okay. Speaker 12: So now we have our priorities straight, we can move forward, all right to the to the Speaker 7: reports, Don you there? Speaker 4: Um here. Speaker 12: [00:30:57] What's a Speaker 9: what's a me? 13 fire calls through last Speaker 6: month, 32 for the year Speaker 9: combined calls, just went over a hundred drill this Tuesday 518 When we have [00:31:12] Central Hudson will be coming in and giving us a lecture on responding to electrical Hazard calls, wires, that eccentric cetera, which will bulk up the class. I [00:31:27] gave a couple months ago, and we're also getting the tour of the substation on Hibernia road, which was really good. Steve, and I went down there driver training, a couple months ago with. Yeah. We better know more about Speaker 12: this. It's [00:31:42] a Scary Speaker 9: Place. Billers Bridge update. I have on this side, I talked to Brian. Did Gee chief of was Clinton closure, as you all know is 6, 1 and reopening early September [00:31:57] allegedly, the action plan for our response is that Kevin is going to be going directly from his house. He still basically North in and not coming down here for a piece of fires appointment. I'll be [00:32:12] running Fire Equipment. Kevin will be Command until I get there. And Steve is now tasked with not coming down for a fire equipment. He was going to be given a portable update that way. So for any calls at that end, I will be Speaker 5: a driver Speaker 9: [00:32:29] doesn't happen often anymore. So we got to go to actually play in there. The members have been advised, how to proceed over best way to station 2, with Schoolhouse Road. Speaker 12: So time, if I could just explain that plan a little further, sure, [00:32:44] it's the obvious inference is that it's a lot quicker for you. Just a quarter. Mile up the hill on Jameson Hill, the grab a piece of equipment. And when, when you arrive at the scene, I could potentially take over the apparatus and [00:32:59] you would take overseeing Command, right? So it's just a means to get the equipment to the scene quicker. Right. And then and then and kind of switch roles. Speaker 9: Absolutely. And the same. Kevin who's generally go to be a driver but he's going to be going. No. [00:33:14] Directly to the scene to and whatever roles have to be squished. But getting the equipment up there, we'd get it up there more expeditiously that was Clinton may be able to arrive tactically. We've had approximately five [00:33:29] Mutual Aid calls in that area all afas. I believe this year and for all five calls, I was able to make it larger for West Clinton responded. Anyway, but that's not to say that something more [00:33:44] serious could arrive. So we got to go to play in the place. Good cleaner, place continue, training on Monday, night's Kevin will talk about the driver training. Go very well. We're also going to be doing. We got a new car over here we're [00:33:59] going to be doing some different evolutions of expectation on it. We're going to drain the fluids and any hazardous materials out of the car and put it on inside work on the side extra cash. [00:34:15] Obviously, not leave it on the side because I'm sure something bad would happen. But what we play with, that car Grille nights, and on Monday nights to evod class will be in June date to be determined. We to, [00:34:30] to weeknights, I believe we have three or four support members that are mandated to take it and they have been formed and it's mandatory if they haven't had it, I don't believe. We have any other members [00:34:45] right at this point that would be qualified to take it. If I put E2, you LCS is having the road race [00:35:00] and the ambulance will be on. Standby Saul Point term pipe to pick up run over dead Runners and will be also going a little track of control on chill spill Road. Same [00:35:15] as always remaining the ambulance that our district because obviously the up the lake Outlet is essence. The kind of Washington now. Speaker 5: So Speaker 9: standard procedure, FYI, [00:35:31] this Saturday, we're going to be doing a quick spin through Heritage Road, for two birthday parties, great PR as that Memorial Day will be doing the same run as we did for the Easter parade and [00:35:46] Santa Speaker 5: room Speaker 9: through town. Excellent PR greatly enjoyed by the community. They did the annual flow test on SCBA run pack Speaker 5: failed and everything else is [00:36:01] good. The Speaker 9: With the failed pack ice Speaker 3: price is Speaker 9: ludicrous. So I have gotten with NES and they do have a new demo [00:36:16] pack, they're getting me, the price of the savings on getting a new demo pack rather than going the full court. So I will haven't gotten that figure yet, but should be there in Sue. [00:36:31] And I believe that's all I have. Speaker 3: What is one of those things Speaker 8: cost? Speaker 9: No feet to the fire, so we're from $5,000. Speaker 4: Five grand [00:36:46] first got pack. Yeah, Speaker 12: there were seven last time. We bought them. Speaker 9: Well, I'm looking at the Devil. All Speaker 3: right, I'm looking the demo at 5:00. Okay, thanks though. Speaker 13: All right. Is [00:37:01] Jimmy baffert. They're owed a day. Is Kevin still have the phone in his ear? Speaker 9: Yeah, mines that vibrates. Speaker 4: Kevin, what you Speaker 8: got? Speaker 10: All right, so all of these peoples have been inspected. [00:37:17] 38:12 has oil, change the inverter on 71 has been Speaker 8: changed Speaker 10: to seatbelt, and 12 is not frozen anymore. [00:37:33] Let's see here. Speaker 5: The Speaker 10: pressures were turned up on Speaker 12: 3812 and 3838, never, we have went to well. The air Speaker 10: pressure p down will be the [00:37:48] on board and compressors were set too low. So they're they're up where they should be driver. Training is almost done. We got a couple more to go and we're working on the Speaker 8: pumps. Speaker 10: [00:38:05] Only thing is, I bought six charger, pay for the pagers. We put in a bunch of last year for buying new pages and I have enough pagers. I just need to Charter. So that's what the A1 Communications [00:38:20] was for those Chargers. And I just want to know what we want to do with all these old radios, that setting in the cabinet that are no good. Do I just get rid of them or what? [00:38:35] Some of them are dated back, probably 25 years. Speaker 12: Although the high band or they the low band, or what, I'm not Speaker 10: sure what they are. And they're they're back [00:38:50] there a ways. Speaker 12: Well, if they don't work and people can people can Speaker 13: disagree. I don't see any sense in them hanging around. But does anybody else have any other opinions on that? Speaker 3: If it's not equipment that we're using it's taking [00:39:05] up space and adding confusion. Get rid of them. Speaker 12: Do we have? Do we have an obligation to declare them Surplus? Speaker 15: Or Speaker 1: what Rod why you need to declare them Surplus. Speaker 12: All right, so I move that we declare the Speaker 13: [00:39:20] defunct radios and pagers Surplus Speaker 12: that we authorize Kevin to dispose of them accordingly. Covered a second second Speaker 1: probably should have the motion that their Surplus and of no value to the Speaker 12: district. Okay. [00:39:36] You got that care and you can modify that yeah. Who's can and somebody second or that with that amendment, I guess that was me. Me very good. Any Speaker 6: discussion. Do any of them work at Speaker 10: all? And I don't know, some of the little batteries [00:39:51] are won't even take a charge and I don't feel, it's so worn in to try to find Battery to fit it too. Speaker 6: Sounds like they're okay. Speaker 3: So I [00:40:09] probably need to be destroyed rob, you can help me on this but I'm ham radio operator. And People that get ahold of emergency service radios are a problem. [00:40:24] So if we get rid of them, we need to destroy them. Speaker 1: Kevin. I don't think that's necessary because I can go out and buy a mercy Services, radio transmitter and receiver and caulk on the frequency, Speaker 3: right? But done, it says, East Clinton [00:40:39] fire Speaker 6: district. Take a hammer to him, right? Speaker 12: Gavin. You take a hammer to him if we if we vote on the motion Bob, what's your Speaker 4: pleasure on it? Hi Speaker 13: Kevin. Hi, Russ. All right Speaker 12: [00:40:54] Mike Speaker 6: [00:41:18] and Take eight gallons of oil. They charge it for 32 quarts of oil. That's what I take, okay. I was just amazed, you know that and I know that the filter was like $100 for the oil filter. [00:41:33] I'm saying good job Speaker 10: like it shaking his head. Speaker 15: Yes. Those prices looks a little high to me to rust but people are charging a lot. It's hard to get good people to work on Speaker 5: diesel trucks and they're like, Speaker 9: Arjuna, pretty laborers movement. That hundred Speaker 5: twenty dollars an hour. [00:41:48] It's not cheap. But there's no other game in town. So, Speaker 6: all right, well I just was I assumed that they were legitimate. That's why I signed them but I was amazed it Speaker 4: 600. Yeah, that's pretty high. I mean some filters or that Speaker 15: much but [00:42:03] if the oil and the fuel filter be that much, it's pretty, it's pretty steep, Speaker 10: send a bill for inspections to or not. Yeah, they did talk about Speaker 6: five inspections. Speaker 15: Can we go with Speaker 10: the New York state inspection? I didn't know if [00:42:18] that was all I had. Speaker 15: We got that Speaker 10: one. Okay. All right. I'll have anymore. Speaker 12: Thank you. Good job. Kevin I be there for the rescue Speaker 4: squad. You have something for you. Speaker 15: We had twenty three point, three calls per month [00:42:33] 15 for the year. Our drill is going to be on May 25th. It will be extrication and use of the ktd train and we're slotted to [00:42:48] give this three members who do not have CPR, will be conducting, CPR training for those three entities. That's all I have any questions Speaker 13: for me. Any questions for Bob or any of the Speaker 3: Chiefs? [00:43:04] Any update on the new ambulance? No. Communication. Speaker 13: Last Saturday. Anything. I've not heard it. Speaker 15: It was June. Yeah, Speaker 3: June. Okay. All right. Speaker 13: Um, as I mentioned previously, we have had some inquiries on [00:43:19] the rehab vehicle and I have advised them that sealed. Bids are required Lawn Service Speaker 7: update. I got two bids One was Speaker 13: from Martins property, management and Rhinebeck. They were too Speaker 12: [00:43:34] low bidder at Speaker 7: $175 per. What Speaker 12: they provided me with a certificate of liability insurance. Speaker 13: The other bid was 210 dollars from zoonotic lawn-mowing up in Rhinebeck as well. Speaker 12: [00:43:51] I would I would I would be more than happy to go with Martin's Speaker 6: if Speaker 13: anybody cares to make a motion to that extent. Speaker 12: I can make Speaker 7: a motion. I'll make a motion for discussion. Speaker 12: Okay, I'll second, what are you? What's the Speaker 3: discussion? Just having [00:44:06] an upper hour or per mowing, doesn't tell us all that. We need to know. We did to stay within our budget that we talked about last September for the mowing. Are we able to do that with the information [00:44:21] you've got there? Speaker 13: Well, we knew we were going to go up if we went to somebody differently and I don't know what the budget is quite Actually Speaker 15: I'll have to do. I expect I think it was like three Speaker 4: thousand students. Yeah I called I call for Speaker 12: people and I only got two bids if that's any indication [00:44:36] of what the availability of landscapers Speaker 3: is right. But the kicker is there, if it gets too expensive, we've got to cut down and what we Mo, so that we stay within a budget. It's not an, it's not an open Speaker 13: check. No, well, Speaker 8: [00:44:51] $3,000 Speaker 6: was, was that hundred and seventy-five? /. Mowing our Speaker 13: were mowing at 17 times. Speaker 4: if we got to be okay, Speaker 8: [00:45:06] then Speaker 13: I don't know that I don't know what we're going to do any better. I know we're not Speaker 12: going to do any better just like I say I Court called for people to get two bids Speaker 3: but we again, what I'm saying is we need to be [00:45:21] prepared to say hey don't mow as much each time, Speaker 13: okay, point and Speaker 3: decrease the cost. But if you say there's 17 moens, I don't think there's humming ask Don how many times he mode during the summer. Speaker 7: [00:45:39] Every 10 Speaker 9: days it's been mode once. So if you consider three times a month, depending on what August is, like, sometimes there's partial mowings, where the grass doesn't grow is great Bob. There's how much in the [00:45:54] for accounted for Speaker 15: and think it's 3,000 will Speaker 9: verify when you won't have a problem. Speaker 8: Okay. All right. Good. Speaker 12: so, we got a motion, we got a second, any more discussion, Mike. [00:46:09] What's your pleasure? Speaker 7: Russ I haven't I I would I as well that motion carries, I will make that communication. Okay? [00:46:24] Um, In your folders were two Speaker 13: letters to drafts, Speaker 7: if not been sent Speaker 13: out one Speaker 12: to the West Clinton [00:46:39] Board of Speaker 6: Commissioners. Speaker 7: And one to the Stanford Board of Commissioners, Speaker 13: you have had Speaker 7: opportunity because I emailed it and it's in your folder to the review, the letters. Speaker 12: I think [00:46:54] the letters are relatively self-explanatory, Speaker 13: I wanted to cut a middle ground and and not Speaker 12: be overly accusatory but Speaker 6: certainly let it be known Speaker 12: that we were concerned and maybe even felt a little bit taken advantage of, [00:47:09] you know. So the question is twofold. Speaker 13: Do we want to send this kind of letter and Speaker 12: our people comfortable? If the answer is yes, our people comfortable with the tone of the Speaker 7: letter and did I miss any? Any, any important points? So [00:47:25] I guess, I guess. First Speaker 12: question is, is there anybody that has Speaker 13: strong feelings one way or the Speaker 12: other that the this type this letter should or should not be sent to Stanford into into West Clinton? Speaker 3: Good said we should send them. Speaker 6: Quite my question [00:47:40] is and you guys are much more knowledgeable than I am on this since we haven't even score. We're not it's not necessary you provide as I've explained EMT service but is necessary. You have fire Speaker 8: service. [00:47:55] I mean, Speaker 6: it seems like both of these other districts are putting us in a difficult position by their lack of providing. What we would think they [00:48:10] would be providing. And I guess I'm kind of wondering. Do we have to go when the county calls us for like second call on one of these districts? Because they're not taking up their slack? That Have to [00:48:25] respond and burn our people out, Speaker 3: but we should go as long as it's Speaker 6: balanced. Yeah, but doesn't seem like it is balanced. It seems like I've been told Stanford doesn't seem to respond to anything and I don't know. [00:48:40] I see you have in here. The thing about what your agreement with NDP, I mean if they don't have any if they're not responding, what is the response expected over here? You shouldn't be us. Speaker 7: [00:48:55] Well, I think I think and that's the issue. I think a lot of the times it is us, right? They have a paid service for a period of time throughout the week. My observation is that they don't have people in on weekends [00:49:10] and there's almost an implied expectation that because they're off shift, at mutually companies, be at Roosevelt or whomever are going to cover their needs. And honestly, I take a certain [00:49:25] offense I'm done. I don't know what are you? What's your perspective? Speaker 6: Let's, here we go. And Steve, you heard me? Preach this over and over and over Speaker 9: again and as well, you know, you cannot rely on the Northern Duchess [00:49:40] or M star or whomever to provide backup as well. You know, a vast majority of the time in Bottle. Shake his head. Yes, there are no paid services. [00:49:55] Available. So therefore whenever it's not whenever Westlands off shift or Stanford is unable to respond, it doesn't immediately [00:50:10] befall to us. It only comes to us when there is no paid unit available or there's only a fly car available. However, I would stand [00:50:25] Good safely. Say the number of times in our current environment that a full ALS rig is available to respond either to Stanford or to West. Clinton is probably [00:50:40] less than 50% of the time. So if like are still means you have to bring an ambulance to the scene. The question there in that Steve is asked and I don't, perfect know for Stanford, they do [00:50:55] not Have a contract with usually, the provider up here is Northern Duchess. They do not have a contract that would reserve a unit for them at all times. [00:51:10] Contracts are very expensive and Steve Ward and very well. We are blessed that we have a good response level though, though. Small in number. So, to shorten, it, it's not every time [00:51:25] they can It off the floor that we have to go. It's where the call is and what nor The Duchess is able to provide without a contract. There's no guarantees. They're going to provide anything Speaker 7: [00:51:40] Radu. You had your hand up. Yes. Speaker 1: In answer to Russia's question, East Clinton fire district has signed Dutchess County, Mutual Aid agreement. And so the way the agreement stands, now East Clinton is obligated to respond. [00:51:56] When they're called by a neighboring District, they've signed that agreement. He's Clinton can withdraw either fully or partially from that agreement. So if it is the desire of the board to say, we're not going to Stanford or [00:52:11] or West Clinton with our ambulance, any longer you could write a letter to the, the county telling them, we are not going to be part of the mutual Aid agreement for 38 71. Speaker 12: But [00:52:27] there that I would be very hesitant to send, Speaker 9: right? Absolutely no no no, no. And and you know, Speaker 8: it's Speaker 7: We are reliant they point out the letters. We are four big incidents Speaker 12: 100% [00:52:42] reliant on our neighboring Speaker 7: companies, right? And our districts, and the point was not to to rile him up. The point was to ask some hard questions by but also pointing out that we understand the relationship and when and we're Speaker 12: fully [00:52:57] in support of the the mutual Aid Speaker 7: agreement. Speaker 1: What I brought that up, not not to to propose it, but just to make clear that at this point, we are obligated to respond when called by West Clinton or [00:53:12] Stanford. Speaker 3: And that's true for town of Washington. Also, I, I'd imagine that's correct. Speaker 9: Washington's pain Speaker 3: 24/7. But we still have to, if we're asked to go, we still have to go. Speaker 9: Yeah, but they absolutely, [00:53:27] but that is so rare. It's not even measurable. They're not going to call. They're not going to call when they have a Payday ambulance. That is in their District at all times. [00:53:42] When the pain ambulances out, they call their volunteers or call another page. Speaker 15: Ambulance, and that's what they do. And BP will call another unit NEP you Speaker 8: in Speaker 6: So, apparently West Clinton [00:53:57] does have some agreement with NDP but Stanford does not have my current. Speaker 15: I thought ndp's, I thought West West Clinton's agreement was pretty much the same as ours. Speaker 9: They don't have a draft. They don't have a contract, Speaker 7: I think they have an [00:54:12] informal handshake agreement. Oh, okay, Speaker 12: that's not a contract. That's not a contract. It's an informal handshake Speaker 7: agreement. Speaker 3: so, Speaker 7: Rod, one more question for you. Do you think it would Speaker 8: [00:54:27] be Speaker 7: Beneficial to copy Dana Smith on this type of letter. Speaker 1: No, I don't. I think at this point, this is something that, I mean, you're trying to keep this a productive, constructive friendly [00:54:42] conversation with West Clinton and Stanford is, I don't see the need to go higher up the food chain. Okay, if you consider Dana higher up the food chain, which not all of us. Do all right, Speaker 8: [00:55:08] second Speaker 4: second. Speaker 7: Okay. Is there anybody that thinks the language is too Speaker 8: strong? well, I'm Speaker 6: I'm just wondering [00:55:23] this is kind of an offshoot here but I'm wondering how much Would be accomplished if our chief spoke to the chief of these two districts to in addition to these letters. I'm I've no problem with a letter but [00:55:38] I wonder how much interaction we have, you know, physically between the districts that maybe some of this could be addressed. Speaker 3: I mean, Speaker 5: it's probably nothing is going to happen because I assume that the reason why they're not responding as they don't have enough [00:55:53] people there. People don't want to go possibly and Speaker 15: I'm They're already trying to motivate that and it's not going anywhere. So Speaker 3: also they're not willing there are not willing to burden their taxpayers with full coverage [00:56:08] of their paid EMTs. Does everything that's Speaker 9: going to be. The only thing that's going to make a difference? I mean sounds like their Speaker 5: departments are kind of waning, you know, Speaker 7: well and the other thought and hopefully West Clinton people aren't listening to [00:56:23] this public meeting is that If we make this point, we have a lever that we could potentially use to convince them that a coverage contract for [00:56:38] the northern part of our district, which would bring the insurances Speaker 12: down here and potentially provide us. Better coverage would be well, let's say beneficial at a much lower Speaker 8: cost. Speaker 6: Why? I like that idea, the only things that I'm feeling bad about is [00:56:53] with our limited people who are EMTs were, we're putting a lot of work on their, a lot of taking them, a lot of their hours for other districts and I [00:57:08] wasn't aware of how short you really were. Speaker 7: Well, let me just tell you 23 calls in a month is a big-time month for East Clinton. I mean, when when we, when we, when I was an EMT, and we were getting up into the twenty Twenty-One twenty-two area that [00:57:23] that was a busy busy month, so 23 calls in a month is big-time busy. And you're right? Speaker 3: And with this Air B&B or equivalent rental, I think it's going to go Speaker 7: up. Speaker 9: But [00:57:38] you know so I mean I think we got Speaker 7: to send the letters and make the point. I again trying to tell a middle ground and and and not be offensive and point out that we do fully support the mutual Aid agreement, and we're anxious to work with them. [00:57:53] But certain The Case of West, Clinton additional additional communication is in order Speaker 15: and and Steve edit that 23, five of those were mutual support Speaker 5: Aid age, Speaker 15: sorry. Speaker 6: I thought that [00:58:08] maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that West Clinton had two EMTs paid during the day and one at night and that night, they were counting on a fire person to come and drive the inlet. So I thought they had pretty good coverage but [00:58:23] apparently that's not Speaker 7: true. I don't know what they got on weekends, Speaker 12: but that seems to be when most of the West Clinton calls, Speaker 15: hit Don't they have like a brand-new super expensive? Ambulance to Speaker 5: the? Oh yeah, they're not using it. That's how good it doesn't Speaker 7: Hydraulics. They [00:58:38] paid like, 250 to 300, at least for that Speaker 15: ambulance. A lot of money and not be out at calls. Yep. Speaker 7: Alright, any other Speaker 8: discussion? Mike, what's your Speaker 5: pleasure? All right, Speaker 8: [00:58:53] Russ. All right. Speaker 7: Kevin, I Speaker 3: Bob I Speaker 7: live or die is well. So Karen, if you would put those on our letterhead and leave him at the firehouse. I'd be most happy to sign them and we'll [00:59:08] get those Speaker 10: out, will do. Thank Speaker 7: you. All right, in one minute Speaker 1: I don't haven't heard Speaker 7: the ding dong and Houlihan is [00:59:23] going to join us talk. Hopefully in about 15 or 20 minutes about what our assumed rate of return is and what he thinks would be a Speaker 1: good rate of return [00:59:38] and Speaker 7: how that would affect us from a budget perspective. I don't know if I want to get into anything. If you if you look at the agenda items note that I sent out and I'm talking in code here because I want to avoid going [00:59:53] to Executive session. We did get through the lens program, notification of an injury and that person who's listed at the top of the agenda was sent a letter notifying him that [01:00:08] he cannot return to active duty until he gets a return to duty physical. Just wanted to make that point. Is there anything membership or anything from the Speaker 3: display before you leave that? Are we going to request a physician [01:00:24] to do it or just the normal? What is it? Ta Tek? I believe that Speaker 7: to the greater wisdom of the board. Whatever. Whatever the majority thinks I'm good with it. Speaker 3: Well, no, you you you [01:00:39] which direction do you recommend? We go in. Speaker 4: I think is situational. Speaker 8: For Speaker 7: this one, the the the type of job that [01:00:54] he holds is not a high physical stress situation, I'd be comfortable with Tek. Where if we had an interior firefighter, I might think something Speaker 8: different. Okay. All right, Speaker 7: [01:01:09] Marianne anything from the Department or any membership applications Speaker 14: to incorporation [01:01:30] to include the dissolution Clause even though the disillusion Clauses included in our Speaker 2: bylaws. They want us to Speaker 14: amend the Articles of Incorporation, so we're in the process of doing it. [01:01:48] Developed a certificate of amendment and we voted on it. We had a board of directors meeting and voted on it. And what I Speaker 2: membership cleaning, which is considered operation and voted on that Speaker 14: Monday. So [01:02:03] as soon as I'm able to get the Speaker 2: minutes, Speaker 12: all right. Thank you. Good update. Know Ed was that you that just came in? Speaker 11: That was me. I you're not going to get my picture, which is a great thing but you got. Yeah, we're good with that. Speaker 13: Thank Speaker 11: [01:02:18] you. Thank you. Wow. Speaker 12: All right. So um, Speaker 7: we just we just wanted to talk and have you filled some questions on? I think we have right now. Bob, correct me if I'm wrong, a 5% [01:02:33] assumed rate of return on the low sap investment and Speaker 1: one to get you want to get some feedback from Speaker 7: you on that and and put you in a position. So you can feel some questions and also talk Our about, Speaker 1: [01:02:50] but, just moving forward. Speaker 12: I think we're at Speaker 7: least a hundred percent funded right now, which is, which is pretty good. So just Speaker 11: wanted. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, you were. We used in last year's cross calculation. We did use 5% assumed investor return for [01:03:05] future investment and land. Last year's calculation, you're like 99%. Well, Dave Rogers had another good year for his clients and you earned. Carol 9%, I don't have that number in front [01:03:20] of me, which means that you're funded, we don't change anything. You're funded ratio now. Be over a hundred percent like a hundred and four hundred five percent so you're you're north of where you need to be. So that that's that's a really good [01:03:36] it's really good situation to be in However, if what we do, I know Dave, Rogers, talk to you about. He's concerned about future and vegetable returned. Well, we certainly do they actuaries and our staff? Our chief actuaries, [01:03:51] Katie young, she looks at, you know, key forecast, over the next 10 to 20 years of future investment returns for portfolio, similar to yours, and they're protected and come down. So [01:04:06] we're thinking that you're actually Team. Here is thinking that it would make sense that drop the investor return rate not by a lot but we're thinking about the no matter what you're doing the calculation now. But I want to have [01:04:21] this meeting first with you 4.75% and even if that turns out to be Speaker 15: you Speaker 11: know, not as you know, too low that's okay because you rather go that way because if you [01:04:36] take a lower return than actually happens, That's conservative which means that you'll build up surpluses you know for assuming 4.75 at over the next you know, the next ten years, we averaged 5.25, then [01:04:51] you have gains. So you're funded ratio is going to go up even higher which is great and your contributions are going to are going to come down. So and it's always been my nature over the years, I would much rather sort of lower the [01:05:06] Target and build up surpluses because the other way around And the other way around, just never made a lot of sense to me. And we had some some clients who was not so much fire districts but there's more towns where, you know, they [01:05:21] have the 2% property tax cap and what they do is is it with their investment advisors like Dave Rogers. They say a let's let's put a lot more money in the stock market. Let's go for the higher investment return, and then they turn around and see their actuaries, like, [01:05:36] like myself and our group, you know, raise the interest. Straight up to six percent or something. Well, if you're if you're that aggressive and you actually hit those kinds of returns, you know, good for you but that's not likely going to happen and you're probably going to get [01:05:51] you know, ups and downs and you're you're you're going to get years when your contributions are higher than expected and years when lower expected. So you went out at we're not a big fan of that but you know that being said we have again mostly large towns [01:06:06] that take more of that approach. So we're working. Urban if, you know, our job our single most important job Is to talk to the Commissioners work with your investment advisor and work with the investment advisor and [01:06:21] pick out that investment return rate. Because ultimately, you know, we want to keep you your funding percentage over a hundred percent but really, it's week guide. You when we do this calculation, if [01:06:36] you look every year and the annual Actuarial valuation report are our highest ranking actuary? Who right now is Katie signs a certification. Which is that, you know, we recommend that you make this contribution calculated using the assumptions [01:06:52] that are set forth in this report and we certify that it's appropriate that cetera, et cetera. If in fact, we say that and then all of a sudden, your investment return, you know, drops off the cliff, you know, you, you we have some liability. [01:07:07] So that's why it's the most important thing. We're as professional actuaries. We have to look into the crystal ball called the future. ER and guide you. So as your guide and I like to think I've done this ever since I've been working with you is I want to keep [01:07:22] you. I want to be conservative, I don't want to set targets that are just too high and ridiculous and your and that and that's what I want to continue to do. So we would like to go to 4.75 will finish that report this week [01:07:37] that will still keep your your funded ratio around a hundred percent. That's all good. It'll raise your contributions from like probably D6 and change to maybe 60. So we're still significantly. I remember, guys, we first with [01:07:52] the $30 program, I think, you know, 2008, I'm ever having done that calculation. We're looking at an estimated cost of 225,000. So, in the meantime, you know, we got rid of the $30 program. But now with the, with the, [01:08:07] with the $20 program, which is what you'll have you, those frozen, it was still over a hundred thousand. So you're in, you're, in good shape with the $60,000 How do we use in terms of what we projected? The cost would be? And [01:08:22] because it's a frozen group, we're not adding new people. The only other thing that happens is, you know, people come out of the group. And of course we know we have the new defined contribution plan. So the whole thing whole thing is kind of playing [01:08:37] out the way we hoped it would and your contributions on the defined benefit side are projected to go down as you have fewer and fewer participants. And like I said, the only thing that could throw that the other way [01:08:52] would be surprised. He bad, some pretty bleak investment return years, but we have Speaker 1: corrections, but, you know, four hundred five percent funded right now. Speaker 15: We can afford some of those. And I would, Speaker 7: I would venture [01:09:07] a guess that even with the investment returns that we have that the vast majority of your accounts are probably not even 90% funded, or I would, I be off with that. Speaker 11: No, that would be correct. The ones, frankly, [01:09:22] the ones that we have had from the beginning, which is case of these Clinton fire district. Yeah, they are up in the 90 percentage. Anyway, for the most part, the ones we've taken over from other vendors, some of them frankly would terrible [01:09:37] shape you know we have some that are as old as older than your plan. Another thing years older that have funded ratios and of under 50%. So that's it. Because they just worked with people that sold them frankly bunch of garbage [01:09:52] for Investments but we don't have that we're in great shape, we're staying course. And you know and we're going to, you know, each year, of course as you get. And hopefully you'll get more people into the defined contribution program. You know you're going to get, that's pretty easy. [01:10:07] It's you know $700 apiece for everyone, that goes in and those that don't stay long on to get five years of credit in their going to You know, their, their, their account, balances are going to be forfeited. So, how to give you a credit. So [01:10:22] so I think when we want it, we're we're no matter what we need to be and I think more importantly where we want to be. Speaker 7: Alright, just does anybody Mike or Kevin or Bob or Russ any questions [01:10:37] for Speaker 8: ED? Speaker 4: I don't know, Speaker 3: Steve, there might be some explanation. Just some explanations of what, what by changing that assumption does. [01:10:53] And, and it's a good thing. It's not a bad thing at all, cases for us, but just a quick explanation. Speaker 11: Well, sure. That what we do. There's two key assumptions that we make it in any defined benefit [01:11:08] program. You know, you're each volunteer reaches the entitlement age and we pay him whatever. You know, number of years of service price 20, let's say it's got 15 in times. 20 is $300 a month. So we have to project how long the [01:11:23] participant is going to be, is going to be living and therefore collecting those monthly benefits. That's what we call the mortality. Assumption Okay, we do that. And the other more [01:11:38] powerful assumption is we have to say that. Okay, the current and Investments, the current assets of the program and as of a year ago and you had 1.031. [01:11:54] So now it's a year later. I don't again and I get so you have over a million dollars and your trust fund. And we say, okay, those, those assets are going to be invested and how much investment income are we protecting. Well, the higher, [01:12:09] the higher, the greater, the investment income, the lower the cost, because ultimately all these service award payments are paid from two sources that the taxpayers are the fire district and the investment in I've learned on the fun. [01:12:24] So for protecting this gangbuster, great investor returns in the taxpayers on have to put in much money on the other hand, if we're projecting it to be too high. And over the years, [01:12:39] we're say, oops, it didn't turn out to be 6 or whatever. We said, we got to put more money in fire, district has to put more money in. So, and, you know, and you get volatility but, you know, in the long Long run we want to [01:12:54] we want to project on the other side we want to we want to actually project the number that's that's going to be less that we actually expect to receive and that way from year to year, we expect that your [01:13:09] budgeted contribution is going to be more than enough to cover it. You're funded ratio is going to stay over a hundred percent and your costs are going to you know, level off and go down and in that that super Super important [01:13:24] and you know, as I said, right now you have over a hundred percent, you know, these programs are audited in the report, the annual audit report that you send the State Controllers Office. That's all reported in there. So it becomes a matter of public record [01:13:39] that says that you're prudently funding your program and that you're, you're communicating with your actuary and your investment advisor. You're having these kinds of meetings in those kinds of discussions. So, It gives you a it [01:13:54] recognizes that your program is solidly funded and B gives the Commissioners credit for doing their job properly. So you're you know, you're headed, you're doing everything you should. And that's, that's the significant [01:14:09] thing in another part of my, my conservative Approach to these. I remember I just said a minute ago was we have to project how long people of how long these volunteers are going to live, once they reach the Vantage we and [01:14:24] you know in recent years there has been improvements in life, expectancies are projecting people to live longer. In the most recent years that has not been the case primarily because of covid. But [01:14:39] generally, there's been protections that people are going to live longer Ogre, we don't use those projections, we use again, conservative, okay? Because you could argue, we have been. Let's assume everybody's going to lift me [01:14:54] to be 95, but there's a balancing accurate. You know, if that 95 should be 85, that means you're over funding. You know, you, it could be argued that your overtaxing, the [01:15:09] current generation because you're actuaries making assumptions that Just don't make sense. It would be the same way if we sit instead of using 4.75%, we're going to use three percent but still, no, wait a minute. We know it's going to be [01:15:24] way more than that so we have there's a balancing act here. We have to be prudent but at the same time we have to be careful of not being accused of of overtaxing, the current generation. We do have some clients that [01:15:39] have funded ratios, not many of 50%. So, what we say to them is, no, you're you're, you know, we might tell them to put it in a hundred thousand and they put in a hundred fifty thousand, you know, once they get up to a hundred percent or maybe [01:15:54] a little north of Honor present, I would, I would tell them. Okay, that's you got to stop putting in those extra contribution because you could be accused of that. The only time that makes sense is if you say okay, we're so well funded. We want to increase the benefits [01:16:09] in the program but I don't see us doing that and he's Clinton. Jimmy. Does that make Speaker 7: sense? Is this something [01:16:24] you think we want to chew on or you think it's something we want to vote on Speaker 3: tonight? I'm good to vote on it tonight. All right. Somebody has further questions. It doesn't have to be done tonight but we could just get it out of the Speaker 7: way. [01:16:39] Yeah, I'm thinking. Well, yeah. Plus Speaker 11: plus what we would do is we're working on your actual evaluation report right now, as soon as this is over, I'm going to email Katie and we can get you the Actuarial valuation report. Let's The next Speaker 9: week. [01:16:54] So I would like whatever we vote Speaker 11: tonight. Yeah. So I would you know, we're recommending that be lowered to 4.75 you vote to go with us with that recommendation. Then it's basically a done deal for this [01:17:09] year or the report will be issued, the statement will be issued the audit report, so we'll all be well. Are you know, there's one one last thing on our to-do list and we, and we made a wise move. Speaker 7: [01:17:24] Alright. Bob, do you want to make a motion or what's your pleasure? Speaker 3: You're better at it. Go ahead, Speaker 7: I'll say, All right, I would therefore move Speaker 8: that Speaker 7: we modify the rate of return assumption for the low sap fund from its current [01:17:39] rate of 5% to the 4.75%, for our discussions with mr. Houlihan for Actuarial calculations. Moving Speaker 3: forward. I second. All Speaker 7: right. All right. [01:17:54] Any discussion Kevin Speaker 12: Michael Speaker 4: Ross. Sounds good to me. Speaker 11: Alright Commissioners. It's a done deal, Speaker 7: [01:18:11] Kevin died. I vote, aye as well, that motion carries so you'll do the new Actuarial, Speaker 1: assumption on 4 and 3/4. Speaker 11: Yes sir. Yes sir. OK very good, any more questions? Speaker 7: No I think we're good. Thank you. Speaker 11: All right, Speaker 7: [01:18:36] all right. Have a good night. Any old business that I may have missed? Steve, I, when we had recent meeting Speaker 6: over the firehouse regarding these [01:18:51] people of the given us as them Firehouse, there was a mention that we might try to get a group together to go as she falls Village again. And I think I spoke to Bob, Simon. I think his point of contact [01:19:06] there. It was Susan. So I mean I think we should those that are interested. I'd sure like to go over to see their Speaker 7: place. Yeah I am be a war. Well, trip, Kevin. You got my email with the point of Speaker 4: contact. Yes, I do. Speaker 7: [01:19:21] All right. Is it is that something you could arrange? Speaker 4: Well, is Susan available to do that or you want me to do a Speaker 9: Susan, a lot about Susan's out of bed. Speaker 7: All right. So I'm thinking you would [01:19:36] could do it Kevin hopefully, Speaker 4: okay. Now, how many we talking that we take in, you know, two cars. One car. I mean, I know. I'd like to go. You want to go? We'll Speaker 3: [01:19:51] drive in caravan, some people can can in cars, but we just get the head count and we just Mosey on over at a certain time Speaker 7: and yeah and maybe we could maybe we can twist on zarm and borrow a district veal vehicle. Or Speaker 9: [01:20:06] yeah, you can take the rehab vehicle. Speaker 5: I think it would be Speaker 7: [01:20:32] Get more complicated as and softball opens up as we mentioned before. But you know Speaker 4: let me let me contact McCormick first, let you know, give him the news I think at that point he'd [01:20:47] be very more. To go out with us to see the firehouse, right? And then we're move on from there and then I'll make contact with [01:21:02] the the contact person out there and see what we can do. Now is a weekend bad, or you want to go after work because some of us still do work, Speaker 7: some of us still do [01:21:18] I'd be open to it. Either, or depending on what possibly I have going that night. Speaker 4: All right, so let's let me put together, three, four different dates down the road and and you know, shortly down the road obviously, [01:21:33] I'll put together two three different dates and we get a little Caravan going and and rushes more than happy to sit in the the bed of my truck and write out with me Speaker 7: deal. Now, [01:21:48] new Speaker 13: Isn't this my dear? Speaker 4: I'm sorry with this include the committee, as well as the Commissioners. Speaker 7: I would think Speaker 4: absolutely. Okay good. All Speaker 7: right. I didn't have it on the agenda items [01:22:04] Bob, and I have talked rod and I have talked, I think maybe the Cannabis legalization situation needs a little bit of clarification and discussion. Right. We left [01:22:19] last meeting with the idea that it was, it was not legal to sell for another year and a half, but it is currently legal to possess. And I guess by inference to use marijuana in New York state [01:22:34] Rod, you and I had discussion, if any additional policy was required relative to use, By firefighters, whether [01:22:49] to use on-site, and you say that you thought the current policy was sufficient at this point, you want to elaborate that on that just a little bit Speaker 1: yes, while while possession of marijuana [01:23:04] is legal under New York law, it is not legal under federal law. So our policy provides for any illegal Speaker 8: drug Speaker 1: or substance to would marijuana still would be Be pursuant to the federal law. [01:23:19] The the issue which the board will have at some point in the future will be when someone gets tested for marijuana for an illegal substance and it comes back positive but they haven't smoked it in 3 weeks. [01:23:36] He's Clinton's not the only fire district or Police Department in that situation because they haven't worked out how they're going to figure out if you're under the influence of marijuana or not yet. But I think the current policy that we have now is sufficient [01:23:51] for the time being a few Speaker 7: more questions for Rod or Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a question. If someone has an instant and this is a couple of ifs, they test positive. They've had a [01:24:06] reason to be tested. Does, how does that affect the fbl? Is there any any problems in that area? Because that that protects the district big-time Speaker 1: [01:24:21] well if they're under the influence of marijuana. V FB L will not protect them but the district is not obligated to provide them with protection. If they're having an illegal substance in their body, Speaker 3: if a, but [01:24:36] having taken your course twice and missing doing it a third time, no v, f BL the person has the right to sue the district. Speaker 1: [01:24:51] Yeah, and the district will even with vfb. Oh, they're going to sue the district. Speaker 3: I thought that I thought that excluded that if you take the fbl funds, you cannot a district. That's that's the presumption [01:25:06] that I was going Speaker 7: on. Well, I guess we got to talking about who's assuming if a firefighter gets hurt and he's and he's got illegal drugs in his system, that's one thing. But if a driver has an incident that causes [01:25:21] Injury to a member of the general public, right? That's entirely Speaker 3: another. This is so complicated. It's probably not going to get through it here but I don't know. I'm confused [01:25:36] and definitely interested. Speaker 1: Well the marijuana is not different than if a firefighter is drunk on the scene. And gets injured. Speaker 4: So, if a driver Speaker 7: had [01:25:51] an incident and an injured, a member of the general Speaker 12: public under the influence of alcohol, the district would get sued. Speaker 1: History is going to get sued in any situation Speaker 12: and, and the liability insurance would apply at that Speaker 1: point. Yes. And in fact, the liability [01:26:06] insurance May provide the defense for the district. if, and Speaker 7: if it's injured in a coal under the Speaker 3: influence, Speaker 7: [01:26:22] he would not be covered by V, FB l or District insurance. Is that an accurate statement? Speaker 1: Well, the member who gets injured, is that a person who is under the influence, or if that is that an innocent firefighter? Who gets injured by someone who's under the Speaker 15: influence. Well, [01:26:37] good Speaker 12: point. So there's two situations which one we got, the person who is injured by that person is probably covered by Speaker 7: gfdl. Correct. Speaker 3: He, that's an innocent bystander. The right, of course, but it's one of our members. [01:26:52] Or trip one of our vehicles and gets hurt hits. A tree goes flips, a car or truck they would be covered under v f BL but if they're drunk or under the influence of the wacky [01:27:07] tabacky would they be covered under the fbl? And if that person who is responding is not covered under the fbl, my understanding was that they could they as a member could sue the district, [01:27:22] Act. Speaker 1: Yes. And the district's defense is going to be your under the influence of alcohol or illegal Speaker 3: drug. Okay. So there is you. But decreases, Speaker 1: there is decreases because there is a defense to that and are Speaker 12: called the clearly states [01:27:37] that remembers are not to respond if they are under the influence, right? Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 4: but Gentlemen, let's just say you're at someplace secondhand smoke, whatever it might be marijuana. [01:27:52] Stays in your system easily 20 to 30 days. Speaker 8: So Speaker 4: if he the person did smoke or was around someone else smoking and 20 days later, [01:28:07] something happens. And they get tested and it still shows in her system, they're not really under the influence. Speaker 1: Correct, they're not. And that's that's what makes this, the marijuana law. So unique [01:28:22] you're under the influence of alcohol until the aquadolls out of your system right under the influence of marijuana, you're not under the influence of marijuana, but you're going to get tested positive for the 30 days after you smoke it. So let's say somebody [01:28:37] gets tested today and the test comes back positive and they say yeah I smoked through weeks ago The question for the Commissioners when they want to hand out. Discipline is was he under the influence [01:28:52] at the time of the incident or not? And that's a question of fact Speaker 3: there, but we don't know. We don't know how to we don't know how to prove that and we're not there and even our chief officers are really [01:29:07] trained to do all the tests that the police would do. Speaker 1: Well, let's say the test. Come let's say marijuana shows up in his system. You can't make a determination now because you don't know the facts of it. It [01:29:22] could be the somebody shows up who's under who has tested positive for marijuana but it is perfectly fine. There's nobody who will say that he was under the influence because he did nothing wrong. And you [01:29:37] can't make that determination until you're presented with a set of facts Speaker 7: but are implied stands. At this point is that professional law. Marijuana is still an illegal Speaker 12: substance, right? And and and our policy clearly covers Speaker 7: that [01:29:52] that's correct Speaker 3: and so the disciplinary action would be engaged if that test were to come back positive at this juncture, Speaker 1: right? And then the board would be in a position to make a determination of what if any discipline should Imposed based [01:30:07] upon the facts of the specific incident, okay? Speaker 5: Then we just follow the lead of some much larger organization. See what they're doing on this instead of us. Trying to figure out in the Speaker 7: blind eventually. [01:30:22] But I Speaker 4: yeah, I'm like, I think everybody's just trying to figure it out right now. So Speaker 5: yeah, but there must be someone out there. That's an expert on this that can give us guidance or we can follow their lead or something like that. Speaker 7: Eventually [01:30:37] I think will be there, but I don't think we're there yet. Speaker 3: When we don't want to be the first ones to find out about this. Speaker 15: Stuff. Yeah, Speaker 7: all right. Is there any other new business that I've missed? We Speaker 5: ask a quick question on this marijuana thing, Speaker 4: which one if [01:30:52] it's state says one thing in the FED say something. Different Which law Speaker 1: prevails? Well, New York State Police won't arrest you, but a federal drug enforcement agent could arrest you. So in [01:31:07] this case, as far as we're concerned, federal law would supersede state law here and it's still an illegal substance in New York. Speaker 8: Under federal Speaker 6: law, you likelihood of getting arrested is very small. Speaker 1: Yes, Speaker 4: [01:31:22] slim to none and slim just walked out the door. Speaker 6: Kind of like ice ice has the power to arrest people but the states are blocking their path to Speaker 7: do it. All right. Any other new Speaker 8: business. [01:31:40] And it's in from the public. Who we got out Speaker 12: there? We got Glenn. Do we got Speaker 13: Tony? We Speaker 12: got Elliott anything [01:31:55] people, any questions concerns Speaker 8: now? Speaker 12: Alright, Mike. You're on Speaker 5: Make the motion of [01:32:10] during the meeting. Speaker 12: I'll second and Speaker 7: Bob, what's your pleasure? I Speaker 6: Russ. Hi. Speaker 3: Kevin Speaker 4: well, I but I one statement see I'm going to I'm going to get a hold of McCormick. [01:32:27] Will let him know the news. I will inform him that we all want, or most of us want to go out and check out the the firehouse I would like to include him. As soon as I have all that information was [01:32:42] put out to three different dates and hopefully we can all agree on one and move from there, perfect. Hi, Speaker 7: Ivana is well, motion carries very good. Speaker 13: Ladies and gentlemen, have a good night. Speaker 15: [01:32:57] You tell me.